Alien 3: Theatrical cut a portent
of the next Alien director

leading from
a) There is a film by Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Marc Caro's film The Bunker of the Last Gunshots, a black and white movie.

In this film, multitudes of bald men are running around an enclosed underground environment in a world of futuristic war and after everyone kills each other.

There is one man reduced to being an idiot after being experimented on left at the end hand cuffed to a gas tap and he is left there to die.



b) There is a serial killer Golic in Alien 3 who is accused of killing the initial victims of the adult four legged alien and he is bound up on the bed unable to get away.

However he is left there for good since the rest of the story where he is released and goes on a murderous rampage in an effort to assist the Alien has been edited out.


David Fincher prepares Paul McGann  bound up in bed for Alien 3


c) Jeunet and Caro turned out to be great fans of Alien 3, they could sympathise with the environment that had been created.



d) David Fincher would soon work with Darius Khondji  in his film Seven, just after Alien 3 .

This man so happened to be Jeunet and Caro's director of photography for their films Delicatessen and City Of The Lost Children,

Delicatessen had a similar sepia toned look to Alien 3 and was released a year before, but Fincher would only talk about Khondji in interviews in reference to his perfume adverts.

Khondji would also go on to be director of photography for Alien Resurrection with Jean-Pierre Jeunet directing and also a music video and an Nissan car advert for Chris Cunningham who was a part of the special effects crew for Alien 3 and in the art department for Alien Resurrection.

Darius Khondji working on the cinematography for  David Fincher's 'Seven"

Element of Crime: Curious similarities to Apocalypse Now, Blade Runner and later Alien 3

 

 
 
a) First revelations about similarities
 
When I first saw Alien 3, I was slightly disappointed by its unfinished and fragmented nature,  I thought that I saw a review towards the end of its run that compared it to one of "Tarkovsky's opium fueled hallucinations" and suddenly thinking about the work of Tarkovsky put me in a better view about the movie in that it was more or less an abstract hallucination, but looking back through old Starburst magazines I saw a review by Kim Newman for the movie that suggested that the movie was like Tarkovsky on valium and it may well have been that which I read.

However around the turn of the millenium, I was informed about the movie "Element of Crime" by Lars Von Trier and how there were some things in it similar to Alien 3. Element of Crime was released in 1984. Later i discovered that this movie had been partially inspired by the works of Andrei Tarkovsky, before I suddenly began to make further links with Alien 3.
 
Here are a few ways that the story has been described:
  • A detective named Fisher, who has become an expatriate living in Cairo, undergoes hypnosis in order to recall his last case. The Europe of his dreamlike recollection is a dystopia, dark and decaying. Fisher remembers pursuing an elusive killer called the "Lotto Murderer", who was strangling and then mutilating young girls who were selling lottery tickets. He attempts to track down the killer using the controversial methods outlined in a book entitled The Element of Crime, written by his disgraced mentor, Osborne. He is joined in his search by a prostitute named Kim, who, it turns out, has had a child by his target. Fisher's search is based on a tailing report written by Osborne when trying to track down a murderer who had been killing in the same way as the "Lotto Murderer", but who, supposedly, has since died in a crash. The Osborne method requires the detective to try to identify with the mind of the killer. This he does, but, in so doing, begins to behave more and more like a serial killer himself.   (The story of the film as described in Wikipedia)
  • The English-language Danish film is set in a Europe where the sun never shines at some near-future time when the Continent has become a giant wasteland of photogenic junkyards, trash heaps and mud puddles. Fisher (Michael Elphick), a retired police inspector, is called back from Cairo to solve a series of murders of young girls.
    In his pursuit of truth, he seeks the help of his old mentor, Osbourne (Esmond Knight), who once wrote a book titled ''The Element of Crime.'' This supposedly seminal study of antisocial behavior puts forth the idea that, to track down a criminal, one must assume the criminal's point of view. Like his mentor before him, Fisher assumes the criminal's point of view only too well.
    (
    The New York times ,1st Mayhttps://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/01/movies/the-film-element-of-crime.html)
  • The film takes place entirely within a hypnosis-induced flashback and concerns the investigation of a child serial killer, known as the “lotto murderer,” who has been terrorizing Germany. Chief Inspector Kramer has called Detective Fisher back from Cairo (after 13 years exile) to solve the case following the failure of his mentor, Osborne. Fisher discovers that Osborne suspected a man named Harry Grey (who apparently died in a car accident) and was re-enacting his journey using a tailing report from three years earlier when Grey first laid his groundwork for the murders. Using Osborne’s controversial method known as ‘The Element of Crime’ (a dangerous psychological technique for getting deep into the mindset of the killer) Fisher picks up where Osborne left off. During his investigation, Fisher teams up with an Asian prostitute named Kim and moves inexorably closer to the truth… and to madness, not unlike his mentor.  ( filmwalrus.co review.)

b) Other connections.
 
Another thing to note it that it's been said that William Gibson compared his own slightly early Alien 3 script to Tarkovsky's work, so it might seem as if that Russian director's influence was going to be felt one way or another.
 
A thing to stress is that Element of Crime film payed homage to the movies of Andrzej Tarkovsky although he is understood to have seen it and despised it,  and it seemed certain that Ridley Scott's "Blade Runner" perhaps in terms of cinematography and the presence of an investigator in the future caught in some strange existential crisis.  Also it was noted by fans that there was a Francis Ford Coppola's "Apocalypse Now" connection.
 
In the commentary track for the DVD of the Element of Crime, Peter Shepelern who wrote a book about Von Trier's film and knew him mentioned that his ideas also were inspired by writers such as Kafka and Borges and discussed with Stig Bjorkman how Element of Crime would have been very much inspired by Film Noir such as films "Confidential Report" and "Touch of Evil" by Orson Welles, Trier enthusiastically Trier enthusiastically discussed how a scene was inspired by "Taxi Driver" by Martin Scorsese and that film has been labeled as Neo Noir etc. But here is appears to be more important to point out the comparisons to Blade Runner are there but perhaps negligible. 

  1. ''The Element of Crime'' is the first feature to be directed by Lars von Trier, who has clearly looked at many other people's films, including Orson Welles's ''Touch of Evil'' and Sir Carol Reed's ''Third Man,'' though without learning much about dialogue or narrative. (The New York times ,1st May https://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/01/movies/the-film-element-of-crime.html)
  2. The Element of Crime, 1984, which von Trier claims Tarkovsky saw and despised (ReFocus: The Films of Andrei Tarkovsky 31 May 2021)  
  3. Stig Bjorkman: If you compare it with classic film noir films. Do you think it can be compared to those?

    Peter Shepelern: Yes in the sense that you can't imagine  "The Element of Crime" without the heritage of American film noir films of the 40s

    Stig Bjorkman : And the 50s

    Peter Shepelern: Yes

    Stig Bjorkman : Yes

    Peter Shepelern: The genre began with John Huston's "The Maltese Falcon" which is normally seen as the  first film which had ... how can you put it... a dubious moral. No one is really good. Everyone's morals are more or less rotten, even the heroes . And the women, especially, are all femme-fatale types. They don't give the heroes the redemption of love, but... One of the famous films noir was "Double Indemnity", - in Danish "The Women without Conscience". It's about a woman who takes advantage of an insurance agent and makes him kill her husband to pull an insurance scam. That whole world of rotten morals, Trier has obviously learned from that. At the same time, those films had a strong sense of visual fascination as you could call it. As late as what could be said to be the last big film noir Orson Welles "Touch of Evil" which had everything in terms of demonic power and destruction in an amazing visual form.

    Stig Bjorkman :If you had to compare Lars' film"The Element of Crime" with an earlier film make,  it would have to be Orson Welles. There are passages which are very similar to the visual solutions by Orson Welles in "Touch of Evil". He also uses these very long and complicated tracking shots with lots of people and this very bizarre gallery of minor roles.

    But there is an Orson Welles film which I think is closer to "Element of Crime" It's the little known film called "Confidential Report"

    Peter Shepelern: That is also a study of evil. Welles was very good at focusing on evil.

    Stig Bjorkman:: It's about one of the wealthiest men in the world, who hires a private detective to uncover a criminal

    Peter Shepelern: Yes That's also a kind of European film noir which clearly ranks amongst the godfathers of this film

    Stig Bjorkman: Yes (Element of Crime DVD, film writers commentary
 
 
 

 
 




 
f) Blade Runner to Alien 3
 
Blade Runner's cinematographer Jordan Cronenweth was initially involved in Alien 3. He was well known for his cinematography for Ridley Scott's Blade Runner and then due to illness was replaced by Alex Thomson who had worked on Ridley Scott's Legend, and continued with Cronenweth's ideas
 
 
Jordan Cronenweth and Ridley Scott on the set of Blade Runner


g) Alien Resurrection references Von Trier's work

However, when it came to making the following film in the Alien series, being Alien Resurrection (released 1997), Jean-Pierre Jeunet would openly cite Lars Von Trier as one of his influences for the movie. Perhaps even his earlier film Delicatessen (1991) co-directed with Marc Caro took inspiration from Element of Crime


 

Alien 3: Change to a dog-burster

 leading from
 
(Still collating)

 

a) Behavioural characteristics as another reason for change

a.i) A need for a faster and sleeker alien

Something going on in David Fincher's mind had decided that alien took on behavioural characteristics of the host and so decided an ox would make it less vicious.

They found the most conceptually interesting stage to be the 'Bambi Burster, a puppy like creature that jumps out of the Rottweiler's chest and scampers across the floor. 

David Fincher thought it would be more sleek if the monster came out of a dog, and the Rottweiler is a pretty brutal animal to start with.  

He wanted something that was faster and more predatory than an ox

a.ii) Dog as a host 

This meant to him that instead he wanted to use a dog as the host which would in his view make the creature not as elegant a creature than it was before.

Fincher thought that this would help when they got into the big chase sequence at the end because it would give the exciting POV and explain the reckless attack mode that the thing was in.

This change would break everyone else's heart because the idea of a dog as a host for an alien creature had been used in the movie "The Thing" in a significant way. 

a.iii) Shooting of the dogburster scene

In November 1991, it was known that Jon Landau supervised effects filming at ADI in November, shooting a scene in which the alien bursst forth from a dog

Norman Cabreira sculpted, painted and did the finishing cosmetics for the dog lying dead after the chestburster

 (P.S. I don't have personal knowledge of the running speed of either creature but one can look up the running speed of an Ox and find that it can be 40 km/h and the Rottweiller is known to reach up to the same speed but of course one can say that a Rottweiller is much more agile and vicious. It doesn't look as if anyone was that bothered anyway at the time about such details, and it might be strange to start wondering about the alien taking on the emotional characteristics of its host, but it's the direction that they went whatever. At least a dog sized alien would be more maneuverable in the chase sequence in Alien 3 rather than a lumbering creature the size possibly bigger than an ox)

 

My source https://monsterlegacy.net

Norman Cabrera: Rottweiler dog after chestburster we made at ADI. I sculpted, painted and did the finishing cosmetics. Fur transfer again by the great, Norman Tempia. The top is the finished dog, bottom left is me blocking out the sculpt. Bottom right is the head with “under painting” before the synthetic fur is transferred on. This dog was made for re-shoots to show a chestburster came from one of the dogs. Always a blast working with my pals, Alec and Tom at ADI! #alien3 #puppet #specialfx #normancabrera #amalgamateddynamics #makingmonsters #chestburster (https://www.instagram.com/p/B-PiGB-p0iX/)


 

a.ii) See: Alien 3: Dog Puppet with Dogburster Alien


b) Whippet used in ADI's Bambi-Burster
 
David Fincher needed something that could walk and be photographed from every angle, which made him think about putting a dog in a suit to supplement a cable-controlled puppet.

Woodruff thought that it seemed very much an idiotic idea but this dog in a suit became at least something exciting to try out, whatever the result. He saw possibilities in what they produced and would have liked it to have been liberally painted with more deep, dark shadows and have some creepy sounds added

Originally for the Bambi Burster, they planned to have a Whippet dog in a suit, but it wouldn't perform on set. Once they put him in the latex costume, the animal locked up. All they wanted him to do was trot down the hall, but it stood there unable to movie. So they ended up sliding the dog into shot. 
 

Whippet in Alien suit without alien head


Whippet in Alien suit with alien head

 

c)  See: Dogburster hero animatronic puppet original movie prop

 

 

  1. Wanting to attain the idea of the alien gestating in an animal. Fincher decided to change the host from an ox to a dog. "I wanted something faster. more predatory than an ox. As a result the final alien is not as elegant a creature as it was before but it is more vicious. The change to a dog broke everybody's heart because it had been done before in The Thing but it helped when we got into the big chase sequence at the end because it gave us exciting POV and explain the reckless attack mode that the thing was in." (Alien the Special effects, p115 , (Articles originally published in Cinefex magazine)
  2. Tom Woodruff: The most conceptually interesting stage is the 'Bambi Burster', a puppy like creature that jumps out of the Rottweiler's chest and scampers across the floor. David Fincher thought it would be more sleek if the monster came out of a dog, and the Rottweiler is a pretty brutal animal to start with. David needed something that could walk and be photographed from every angle, which made him think about putting a dog in a suit to supplement a cable-controlled puppet. That seemed like a pretty dumb notion at first, but the more we thought about it, the better this idea sounded. (Fangoria # 114)
  3. Gillis: The decision to go away from the ox as a vehicle for the birth of the alien in our postproduction phase, because generally it was felt, was, as I recall, that an ox is sort of a cumbersome, slow, non-threatening animal, and that a faster-moving four-legged animal, more aggressive animal would be a more interesting host for the alien and that if it had picked up any of its host's characteristics it would be better if it came, for instance, from a Rottweiler, than from a beast of burden, which was probably a good move. Although all of this stuff with the ox has much more scope to it, which I love (Aliens 3 commentary subtitles. )
  4. Some reshooting has taken place. Fox executive producer Jon Landau supervised effects filming at A.D.I. in November, shooting an opening scene in which the alien bursts forth from the body of a dog. Fox was reportedly still interested in shooting a new ending. Previews of the work in progress in mid-February showed little evidence of the film being "fixed.’ (CINEFANTASTIQUE MAGAZINE. ALIEN 3 COVER. VOL 22; #6. JUNE 1992)   
  5. Tom Woodruff: The Whippet looked great, but it wouldn't perform on set, We couldn't even get it to trot down the hall, which was all it had to do! So i ended up sliding the dog into shot. (Fangoria # 114)

Alien 3: Dog Puppet with Dogburster Alien

leading from  
 
 




 

  • A dog puppet with a Dogburster alien from David Fincher's sci-fi action-horror sequel Alien3. When Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) crash landed on Fiorina 161, an alien Facehugger which was on board her pod attached itself to a dog, impregnating it with an alien that burst through its stomach.
    Designed and fabricated by the Academy Award®-winning special effects group Amalgamated Dynamics, Inc. (ADI), this animatronic Rottweiler dog puppet contains a metal armature, servo motor, rubber and foam padding interior surrounded by an exterior of faux fur features including a hard plastic mouth. On one side of the ribcage is an opening with rods and a handle used to control a hard resin "Chestburster" element which is visible inside an opening in the chest. This puppet is in good overall condition with some wear from production throughout all elements. Dimensions: 48" x 34" x 13" (122 cm x 90 cm x 33 cm) (Source https://usm.propstoreauction.com/lot-details/index/catalog/267/lot/62141 Entertainment Memorabilia Live Auction - Los Angeles - 2020 (Aug 26 2020 − Aug 28 2020)


 





 


 

Sheridan/Mondoshawan concept for Luc Besson's
"The Fifth Element" by Patrice Garcia (1992) echoes the Space Jockey and foresees the Engineer flight suit from Prometheus?



 
 
Leading from
and
and

a) During the development of Luc Besson's Fifth Element, for the benevolant space faring race known as the Mondoshawans, also known as the Sheridans, Patrice Garcia provided a concept design for one of the entities, that roughly resembled the Space Jockey in that it had a large upper body shell and a helmet with a trunk like proboscis. Inside appeared to be a humanoid being.
 
 
Mondoshawan by Patrice Garcia
 

b) The final design would look very different but would still connect with the Egyptian symbology that the space jockey and seat provided.
 
 
 
"Engineer" in his Space Jockey suit
 

c) Looking at Ridley Scott's film Prometheus years later, in which a civilisation known as the Engineers would be seen dressed up in suits designed to loosely resemble the space jockey from the original Alien , one might ask if there is a connection here and if Ridley Scott had seen the concept art book since he was a fan of Moebius who worked on the film and worked also with Sylvain Despretz who also worked on the film








 

Alien 3: cocoons

leading from
and


Image of the cocoons being sculpted from Alien 3 sculpting BTS
a) Meat Locker?

In Giger's drawings during August of 1990, he drew the meat locker with the human prisoners on meathooks and the alien in one instance is hanging the monks on the hooks while in another instance creature is simply sitting in the kitchen while it eats the monks.

It seems rather different in light of what went on in the previous Alien movies if one wants to think about the humans in the hive waiting to give birth to chestbursters in Aliens or the cut cocoon scene from Alien which has the victims slowly being eaten away and absorbed into this spore producing goo, unless one wants to consider what happened to Lambert as her corpse is left hanging from a hook in Alien or even.

Did Giger just get the work done as scripted or was he going along with what Fincher discussed with him at the time?
 


Alien 3 sketch  published in Aliens  (comic book magazine #12, June 1993 , "The Giger Sanction"





 

 
 
 
On  18/12/90 Hill &Giler draft of Alien 3, The Assembly Hall has been transformed into an Alien cocoon chamber.

Walls and ceiling encrusted with Alien mucous.

Hives built around rotting corpses.

They hear low moaning and find dozens of semi-transparent pods, inside each, a prisoner's body

Morse states "They're not dead"

Dillon making an assumption, responds "This is the meat locker" and then Andrews is found still alive calling "Help", he is cocooned.

Image of the cocoons being sculpted from Alien 3 sculpting BTS

Morse starts forwards and then Dillon stops in. In the mist present in the chamber there is a narrow membrane of like a cross section of laser light encircling the cocoon chamber, which would have been like the membrane of light in the derelict ship.

Somehow Dillon knows that it's like an alarm, if they step in there, the alien beast would know they're there.

It was too late to save Andrews and he begs to be killed just as Dallas did in the original alien, Dillon sets fire to the alien web and Andrews is engulfed.

They watch him as he is burnt to a crisp.

The scene in an earlier version of the script by Hill and Giler, Oct 10, 1990 shows that Dillon has replaced Ripley in this scene with Aaron replacing Morse, and the alien nest can be found at the glassworks before it became a leadworks. (A brief description of the scene can be found at alienseries.wordpress.com. I have not seen the script personally)

Aaron says "They're not dead. What the fuck is this?"

Ripley replies "This is the meat locker. It'll feed the new queen."

Because of the lack of information in Giler and Hill's 18/12/90 version might ask if in this place,  people were being cocooned in the way they were either in Aliens or Alien.

In Aliens they were just wrapped up waiting to be facehugged and in Alien, they were being eaten alive by the alien life form that developed into the spore

Image of the cocoons being
sculpted from Alien 3 sculpting BTS

b) Cocooning sequence 
In the script, Ripley decides it's a meat locker to feed the queen, which might be presumptious
and then Dillon who wouldn't know about the queen decides that it must be a "meat locker" for the creature,  going by his own common sense.

Going by the reports from Cinefex, it appears that Fincher wanted to go back to directly back to the sequence which had been cut from the original Alien, Fincher early on intended to feature the discovery of partially devoured victims being transformed into alien spores through a metamorphical cocooning process.

This would have provided some rationale for the creature's disturbingly pseudo-intelligent malevolence. Fincher's decision to incorporate  the James Cameron concept of an egg laying matriarch , however, rendered the cocoons antiethical.
 
Image of the cocoons being
sculpted from Alien 3 sculpting BTS
c) Fincher In The Shell
ADI were going to end up making about twenty of these cocoons, all vacuformed and stapled up.

They started on two, and then the plug was pulled because Fincher's idea was that the creature simply killed to eat.
 
For a Cinefex interview, they spun the idea that because Fincher liked it so much, they finished off one for him.

In that idea, he had it on set with him and would occasionally climb into it for inspiration. and he would called it his "Thinking Shell
 
In 2021, they would reveal to AVPGalaxy podcast that actually this to be a fib.
 
Image of the cocoons being
sculpted from Alien 3 sculpting BTS

d) Golic , ensconced in fluid
It might be presumed that David Fincher would base his intended cocooning scene on the 18/12/90 Hill&Giler draft , because we can find that in Rex Picket's January 5, 1991 later rewrite, Ripley,

Dillon, Aaron and Morse venture into the abbatoir and find two murdered human bodies, one man babbling away to himself in the corner and further in Golic is found cocooned and ensconced in fluid.
Presumably, he was cocooned by the alien in a way we might assume from either Alien or Aliens, but there is nothing more said about the cocooning and it features only one cocooned victim.
 
Later in January 2021, ADI reveal that the plan to reinvinsion the cocoons involved the idea of having a living victim trapped in a liquid filled casting of a sculpt which would be shot horizontally but composited as if vertical

Image of the cocoons being
sculpted from Alien 3 sculpting BTS

Mark Coulier working on a cocoon. Source: https://www.instagram.com


Mark Coulier working on a cocoon.  https://z-p42.www.instagram.com/p/CKh0izGjMjW/


Image of cocoon being sculpted. Source: https://www.instagram.com/


  1. Cinefex: Borrowing from a sequence which had been cut from the original Alien, Fincher early on intended to feature the discovery of partially-devoured victims being transformed into alien spores through a metamorphical cocooning process. This would have provided some rationale for the creature's disturbingly pseudo-intelligent malevolence. Fincher's decision to incorporate the James Cameron concept of an egg laying matriarch, however rendered the cocoons antithetical (Cinefex #50/Alien The Special Effects Book)
  2. Tom Woodruff Jr: They were begin and killed half way through. We were going to end up making about twenty of these cocoons, all vacuformed and stapled up.  We started on two, and then the plug was pulled because Fincher's idea was that the creature simply kills to eat.  Actually we did finish one off for Fincher because he liked it so much.  He had it on set with him and would occasionally climb into it for inspiration.  He called it his 'thinking shell'" (Cinefex #50/Alien The Special Effects Book)Rewrite by Rex Pickett
  3. The Assembly Hall has been transformed into an Alien cocoon chamber.
    Walls and ceiling encrusted with Alien mucous.
    Hives built around rotting corpses.
    A sound...
    Moaning.
    Low moaning.

    MORSE
    They're not dead...

    THE COCOONS
    Dozens of semitransparent pods - inside each, a prisoner's body.

    DILLON
    This is the meat locker.

    ANDREWS (O/S)
    Help...

    They turn -
    Their torches illuminate -

    ANDREWS
    Cocooned.


    MORSE - DILLON
    Both gazing upward-

    MORSE

    Fuck me...

    He starts forward...
    Dillon stops him.
    In the fine mist of the chamber a narrow MEMBRANE - like a cross section of laser light - encircles the cocoon chamber.

    DILLON

    It's like an alarm.  Step in there and it knows we're here.


    MORSE
    What about Andrews?

    DILLON

    Too late.

    ANDREWS
    Please.  Kill me.  Please.

    Dillon steps forward - touches the flame from his torch to the Alien web...
    Andrews' cocoon is engulfed...
    Dillon and Morse watch as he is burnt to a crisp.

    DILLON

    We burn it.  All of it.

    ( Alien 3, 18/12/90 Hill&Giler draft ) 
  4. Aaron:
    They're not dead: What the fuck is this?
    Ripley
    This is the meat locker. It'll feed the new Queen
    Andrews (O/S)
    Help
      ( Alien 3 Hill and Giler, Oct 10, 1990, snippet as found on https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/the-meat-locker/))
  5. 98    INT. ABATTOIR

        The scene of the carnage.
        Ripley, Dillon, Aaron and Morse are walking slowly through the
        abattoir.
        The murdered bodies of Gregor and William lay sprawled in pools of
        blood.
        Eric is sitting in a corner, hands over his head, blubbering like a
        fool.

                        AARON
                Jesus Christ.

        Ripley pays particular attention to the ox whose chest has exploded
        open.

                        RIPLEY
                This is where it started.

        Morse looks down at the body of William.

                        MORSE
                Golic's work.

        Moving deeper into the abattoir, Dillon finds:

        GOLIC

        cocooned, ensconced in fluid, and still alive!
        He appears to be trying to say something.
        Morse leans forward and listens.
        Then he turns to Dillon:

                        MORSE
                He's saying 'I'm sorry, sir.'

        Dillon just looks at Golic, shaking his head.
        The others all stand behind him, looking.
        Eric continues babbling inanely in the background.

    (ALIEN III Rewrite by Rex Pickett, Based on Walter Hill/David Giler draft 12-18-90) 1ST Draft (Revised)
    January 5, 1991. Found at http://www.alien.it/cop3e.txt through http://www.script-o-rama.com/table.shtml and http://home.online.no/~bhundlan/scripts/alien3/pickett.txt 
  6. alec_gillis: Ever sent these photos? For a brief moment on ALIEN3, there were cocooned humans. I really liked these sculptures and I was sad to see them cut. We never made it past the sculpture phase but @mcoulier and @lonerganbrendan nailed them. One thing I can’t remember is why there is a Coke can in the picture. I think maybe we glued it on to the sculpting base as a joke? Maybe @lonerganbrendan remembers? (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bj1CutyA2E8/?taken-by=alec_gillis)
  7. andyfilmsIf you had gone past sculpting, what would have been next? What kind of mold and material were they going to be?
  8. alec_gillis@andyfilms prolly fiberglass negative. At the time urethane positive tho i have a vague memory of Pinewood having a 4 x 5 vacuuform machine so maybe we would have used that?
  9. Aaron Percival: So talking about that hive sequence… We know you guys started building cocoons for the sequence and that Fincher had you finish one for his own purposes. The “thinking shell” I think he called it.  But we’ve never seen pictures of the completed cocoons and I always thought that they looked like -from the work in progress stuff that you’ve shown – I always thought it looked like you were taking inspiration from the original egg morphing scene from Alien rather than Aliens’ hive. Was that the direction you’ve been going in?
    Alec Gillis: This is funny…
    Tom Woodruff: Alec, don’t say anything!  Don’t say it! I’m shutting down! Where’s my turn off button?!
    Alec Gillis: So first of all, Tom totally made up the Fincher ‘thinking shell’ thing. There was a period there where we were having such a great time with David Fincher because it was fun. We’re all about the same age and we thought it would be funny if we made stuff up. Where we did interviews and then he would read it later and go “what the hell?”  So Tom had a few good ones.

    Tom Woodruff: Yeah it was like early, early interviews we said “Yeah, David Fincher is a funny guy! He would direct, but he would direct from sitting up in his chair wearing a cowboy hat. He just wouldn’t take the cowboy hat off! Ever!”
    Alec Gillis: Tom told somebody, Cinefantastique or somebody, that we made David Fincher an Alien suit and he would direct in an Alien suit with a cowboy hat on. And then the ‘thinking shell’… Come to think of it Tom, I think I was just laughing while you were doing all this stuff. The ‘thinking shell’ we made him looked good, and he sat in this cocoon, but the truth is none of the cocoons ever even got molded.
    We did sculpt them in clay but we never got to this point of molding them. And yes, you are correct Aaron, we were looking more at the kind of stuff that was going on in the deleted scenes of Alien than some of the other ones. You guys this is a scoop! This is the first! No one has ever busted us on on those [fibs].  We were actually kind of disappointed that they didn’t get noticed more.

    Tom Woodruff:  Yeah, nobody ran with them.
    Alec Gillis: Is Hollywood that weird that you can make things up like that and it will be believable? (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/04/17/studioadis-alec-gillis-tom-woodruff-talk-alien-3s-deleted-hive-scene-telling-fibs/)
  10. In the 10 months that the crew worked on the film some ideas went by the wayside as the script developed. One such idea was a reinvisioning of the xenomorph cocoon. There was to be a living victim trapped in a liquid filled transparent casting of a sculpt which would be shot horizontally but composited as if vertical.
    Swipe to see future Oscar winner @mcoulier Mark Coulier at work, before the axe fell on the concept.
    ALIEN3 helped ADI establish its reputation for quality and was an early job for @h2originals Yuri Everson who became the Studio Foreman not long after. 
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